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robinstp

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robinstp says:

F1 - 2011

What kind of a fiasco was the race today (Monte Carlo). Under a RED FLAG they were allowed to change tyres??????? That is nothing short of sheer favoritism for Vettle. His rubber was well knackered and he was hanging in there but I am 100% sure he knew he would have to give way before the end of the race and Alonso was also close to the same situation whereas the strategy of Button would have given him victory. The FIA needs to address this nonsense PDQ because like many - I was disgusted with the decision. Hamilton was playing dodgems and drove like he had been drinking - and one more important point that FIA needs to address. IF A CAR HAS BEEN LAPPED TWICE in any race it should be withdrawn because it is causing a serious racing hazard. Such a rule would make those 3rd tier racers get their act together and we get better racing one way or the other.

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lokinen

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I completely agree 100% Robin, absolutely ruined a potentially fantastic finish.As soon as I heard they could change tyres in the pit immediately after the red flag stopping of the race, I wasted no more time sat doing nothing and went out and when I came in the result was as expected. with the old tyres left on and cold, Vettell and Alonso were stuffed, in fact there  was such an inevitability about Alonso having a go regardless and taking  them both off that Button almost had to just sit and wait. That's not to say he didn't deserve to win on his own merit as he had an absolutely storming drive, even putting in faster  laps still, on the supposedly inferior prime tyre.Ultimately the only thing that beat McClaren & Button were themselves with a misjudged early pit stop.It's very frustrating as a Button supporter, the guy isn't quite as fast as the main contenders but he is fast enough to be champion again with a driving style that can make full use of a good strategy.He needs a better strategist.

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robinstp

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robinstp says:

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@Loiken. I agree but disagree about Button. Yes he is very very slightly slower - but with a reason - he is the smoothest driver out there and saves his rubber and by doing so makes him a fraction slower. Swings and roundabouts my friend - as I try to be a perfectionist in driving - I appreciate Button and of course guys like Loeb who are just so unbelievably smooth

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robinstp

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Oh and by the way - I did exactly the same thing - switched off the box and took wife out for a noggin

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car4mh

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Wasn't it crazy! It's the first time I've seen the cars held in place on the grid like that, and as soon as I saw tyre carts being shuttled down the pit lane and out on to the track I knew it was pretty much game over. It's a remarkable piece of good fortune for Red Bull, given the likelihood that Vettel's tyres were going to give up on him.  Sad.  I don't think I'd have been as disappointed if they'd ended the race, or if there'd been some safety car drama to close things up for a few laps.

I must admit I wasn't much of a Button pusher in the past but he's really matured into an excellent driver in the last few seasons with top-level cars. His first stop was especially unfortunate timing, coming in just before the safety car and giving up track position. But for the late red-flag he could well have capitalised on a Vettel-Alonso skirmish. But never mind, he still made the podium. 

McLaren do look like they're over-thinking things at the moment: that Q3 brinkmanship which cost Hamilton a decent grid spot was unnecessary, and their pit strategy hasn't been sharp over the last few races. Also, someone needs to give Hamilton a hard word or few - nobody doubts his ability in the car but he's digging himself a hole with his conduct on-track and in front of the media. 

Lastly, it's great to get some F1 chat going in the forums again, let's try and keep this up for the rest of the season!

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robinstp

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A few other things emerged on this race. Hampster lost a lot of friends with his big mouth afetr the event. I have never actually liked him - probably because his pappa annoyed me and the proverbial runs down hill even in 2011. But back to the race - Did you notice Pit Stop times?? Some were terrible - hampster had 9.7 secs because the right side front wheelman was daydreaming literally! best ones were Button and Webber - even Slonso and Vettle were around 6-7 secs - that it seriously slow. Maybe the cramped conditions - but more likely drivers deciding the duck in due to the super softs and catching the guys napping.

In any case some rule changes for the races HAVE to be made. Anyone lapped twice is black flagged as a potential accident waiting to happen. This really is important. It will either get these teams up to speed pronto or send them home altogether. Its a business world out there as well as a race - and the two must be married in harmony - which is not the case with HTR/Virgin and even Lotus

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Pedro

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Pedro says:

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Great sense of anticlimax after a great build up, such a shame!  By way of a contrast, having missed the live running of the Indy 500,  just caught up with highlights on YouTube - extraordinary end to the race... 

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lokinen

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@Robin, I think you misunderstand me, that's exactly what I'm saying.His particular driving style ultimately often makes him a bit slower than the other top contenders but gives the team strategists an extra element which should make a big difference this year especially, provided they up their strategy game.At the moment in think Button needs a new strategist.Jenson must be fuming today, he was so quick, in fact despite what we say above, I actually think he was the quickest yesterday and it should have been an easy win for him yesterday. I've mixed feelings about Hamilton, on the one hand I absolutely applaud him for not sitting back and doing the normal yearly monte Carlo conga and instead having a go and trying to get past.However, him and a few others need to start taking responsibility for their actions, hearing him blame the Ferrari for turning into him on the hairpin , on the car to pit radio was outrageous!!!!

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robinstp

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I have faith in Di Resta but he needs a far better chassis under his bum. At the moment Maldondo is running rings round him and in fact was at the begining and during qualifying the only real bright star. Of the others - well I am afraid we need a clear out and I think that will happen at the end of the season - if not before. Kovalinen is doing his best with his equivalent of a Reliant Robin whilst Liuzi was actually managing on more than one occasion to make his a real Reliant Robin. Karthykian is nothing and will never be any good - and I think Glock needs to leave F1 before he gets thumped after the race by some irrate drivers.Buemi is fast but accicdent prone and dangerous - and Algi is not much better. I think 6 or 7 should be removed along with the serious retirement of Schey and Rubens. Of the two Rubens is still better. Michael struggled and became his usual obsessive self blocking others in his so called "holding my position" mode which was daft.

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lokinen

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It makes me really mad when the commentators, especially Brundle describe these guys as the best drivers in the world. These guys are so not the best but they have managed to obtain the required financial backing because in motorsport it's not about how good you are, it's about how much money you have.

There will always be a place for useless rich kid back markers in Bernies F1 money-go-round because these suckers bring the required dosh  to his table and strangely though not surprisingly, the advertising space on these losers cars is extremely valuable because they get so much more coverage on the Tv, either being lapped or sat stationery smashed or broken down in full camera view. Meanwhile the lead cars haven't been seen on the screen for several minutes.

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robinstp

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@Loiken. My friend it is something which saddens me - nay - sickens me too. It is much like the prima donnas kicking a leather bladder for a miserable 90 minutes and getting paid monopoly money. Who tells me that they are better than Steve Highway in his day or Tom Finney in his? With rare exceptions (and non British) few foot ballers are good enough to be mentioned in the same breath. Its all MONEY and very little skill in my opinion. Actually the only other sport I like these days is Tennis. Those guys (and ladies) pound hell out of their bodies for DAYS in order to win something. You see almost nothing advertised on thei clothes. It is also another reason why I prefer rallying. In any case - the skill level is 10 times higher than in F1.

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