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Sam the Eagle

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Re: Cars & The Movies

I saw Withnail and I again this weekend, and I'm still not buying the idea that one could find a battered Jaguar MkII on the roads in 1969, let alone one owned by two down-and-out actors living in Camden. I guess it's called 'artistic licence'.

 

 

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kubrick

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 Points taken, gentlemen. Obviously it wasn't just his public affection for the car that led Mr K. to use it on the screen. But then he isn't Sam Raimi, who always includes his battered old Oldsmobile as a "cameo". Or maybe I just didn't catch that white 928 in The Shining or the Mercedes S-Class in Full Metal Jacket. Or Barry Lyndon. 

Sam, it clearly is a case of artistic licence. While hardly bomb-proof, Jaguar's quality during the 1960s certainly wasn't as dramatically abysmal as Bruce Robinson wants to make believe. That MkII would've had to spend a fair share of its car life parked in salty waters to gain such a look. Another car-related issue regarding Withnail & I was that the motorway scenes were rather obviously taking place in the eighties. So either the Jag had been to the same garage as Doc Brown's DeLorean, or the filmmakers were rather careless in how they framed their images.

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seant

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Sir William’s genius for enforced obsolescence should not be underestimated. My Mum’s 1961 Mark 2 needed a respray 4 years later, with rust appearing on the boot and other areas. When she sold it in 1967 the paintwork was beginning to look tatty again and, additionally, mould was inexplicably appearing on the headlining. Also (though I can’t really blame Sir Bill for this) at 12 years old I drove it into the garage wall whilst valet parking it, so I think our family could have achieved a close approximation of the Withnail look by 1969.

The general problem about sketching in characters within the short timeframe allowed by a movie means that you can’t be too clever with the choice of car. On a TV series there is probably more scope though, for every Columbo Peugeot 403 convertible, there is some other cop driving around in a totally inappropriate classic or old wreck, which is lazy shorthand for ‘this guy is a fascinating outsider’.

Another point to mention is engine noise. Even now, it’s still common to hear the sound of a completely unsuitable engine dubbed over whatever vehicle is being driven. And whilst I’m at it, like acting with dogs and children, some can act with cars, some can’t. The sound of a handbrake being pulled on its ratchet, or the car jolting forward when it’s stopped in gear, is the sure sign of a Bad Car Actor, even if he/she is a multiple Oscar winner.

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kubrick

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 One should never underestimate Sir William's cunning, apparently!

Regarding the issue of engine noise one very recent and prominent example comes to mind. I went to see Senna with a friend who's much more of an engine and motorsport connoisseur than myself, and he was adamantly claiming that on a number of occasions the F1 engine sounds didn't fit the F1 car. If true - and said friend really knows what he's talking about - it would be quite a shame to spend so little attention to what may be a detail, but not an insignificant one. Particularly as we're talking about a documentary feature. 

I also remember the white E32 750iL driven hard by Bruce Willis in The Las Boy Scout, whose V12 engine emitted a snarl very much reminiscent of a (by American standards) small V8 unit. But that's, of course, chickenfeed compared to the screeching of the tyres of James Bond's (George Lazenby's) Aston DBS with Tracy di Vincenzo (Diana Rigg) at the helm - on a very sandy beach...

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Sam the Eagle

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seant said:

 

Sir William’s genius for enforced obsolescence should not be underestimated. My Mum’s 1961 Mark 2 needed a respray 4 years later, with rust appearing on the boot and other areas. When she sold it in 1967 the paintwork was beginning to look tatty again and, additionally, mould was inexplicably appearing on the headlining. Also (though I can’t really blame Sir Bill for this) at 12 years old I drove it into the garage wall whilst valet parking it, so I think our family could have achieved a close approximation of the Withnail look by 1969.

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seant

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Ever since I saw a 70s Doctor Who episode where futuristic military transports were created by the simple expedient of taking the doors and tailgates off a couple of Citroen Dyanes (split pin hinges make this a couple of minutes work), I’ve been particularly sensitive to the creation of ‘cars of the future’ by taking vaguely obscure current or old cars and fiddling with them a bit. See ‘Children of Men’ and its Citroen CX and Fiat Multipla with sticky-on bits and Gattaca, with its Citroen DS and blacked out Rover P6s. I’m less sure about the use of one-off or show cars. At the time I was a bit irritated at Big Stan and his use of the Probe 15 in ‘Clockwork Orange’, though I think the Italdesign Aztek and ‘Frankenstein Unbound’ probably deserved each other.
 

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seant

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Sam the Eagle said: 
Thanks for sharing your experience, and Waku-Doki to you too.

 


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Sam the Eagle

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@seant

 

Looks like the vehicles made for the latest film by Michel Gondry were created just for you

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lokinen

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I think that Withnail and I is the most over rated film I've ever seen.I purposely sat up to watch it one night as it was highly recommended and I at no time cracked even the faintest smile.It truly is the unfunniest comedy film ever.It appears to me at least, to be one of those films that a certain type of arty person feels that they have to say they really like. The cx and blacked out p6...I was completely intrigued by this choice of car in the futuristic film it was in.I think I kind of got what was going on though, the car being an achingly cool, possibly  re-cycled, remanufactured classic with subtle styling mods and  fitted some futuristic whistling power plant.I liked it.

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Batty

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@kubrik- TeeHee!! Screeching tyres indeed!

Further to seant's excellent obsveration is gear changing. I lose count on how many movies I see where the actor driving the car apparently changes gear (or so the soundtrack says they do) with no action from the driver. Better yet when there are apparently 40-60 ratios in the 'box as they continually change up gear along a straight section of road.

One of my pet peeves in the original Italian Job, was just how pathetic the Alfas the Carabinieri drove were compared to the Minis. In reality they would have easily had the buggers.

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