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oopnorth

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oopnorth says:

RE: Range Rover Evoque Si4 Dynamic (2012) CAR review

This was surely an article written months ago just after the original launch.  It's on the site as filler and you aren't paying for it, so calm down... Anyway, I'm a northerner and am not at all offended by what Mr ff-C says - keep the ruddy southerners down south is what I say, more space up here for proper folk!

I remain amazed at the bile spewed at the Evoque:  it seems to be a marmite car, some thinking it is gorgeous, while others consider it an overpriced aberration.  If you cross check the price and spec to freelander, you find that the Evoque is no more expensive (although that does asume you'd be daft enough to put the silly large wheels on a freelander).  Some people spec them up to well over £40k, others have something near identical for £30k

RRS irritatingly successful?  It' a Discovery 3 for loads more money with lots less space.  Not driven by proper country folk (unlike full fat RR, Freelander, Defender and Discovery).  Bought largely as a status symbol.  Seems quite irritating to me...

Reliability (and I speak as an ex-D3 owner who had a couple of miserable months before getting a Subaru instead):  the freelander 2 is very reliable and the Evoque is made in the same place so (hopefully) should be as good.  The RR, RRS and D4 are all built in Solihull and prop up the bottom of reliabilty charts with remarkable regularity.  Sad, cos when they are working, they are wonderful places to be.  I loved my D3 while it was working, but have no wish to deal with a dealer who lies, misleads and is generally untrustworthy when something goes wrong...

What shall I buy next?

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rickerby

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rickerby says:

RE: Range Rover Evoque Si4 Dynamic (2012) CAR review

All motoring journalists seem to assume that everyone lives in Surrey and talk about UK city's like Liverpool as if they where in some strange far off land. This is very odd, as most motoring journalists seem to live on farms in Wales.

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BernieHarper

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BernieHarper says:

RE: Range Rover Evoque Si4 Dynamic (2012) CAR review

 This article has the stench of something composed in the split second after the author found out what he was reviewing and where he had to go to do it. And no actual facts would ever be allowed to get the way of a "good story." If JLR had secretly squeezed a V6 under that bonnet, does anyone here think that one word of this drivel would have been any different? And if he had been sent to Brixton or downtown Detroit and used the same tone, does anyone here think he would still be in his job now? With grotesque comments about the vast injections of cash wasted on people for whom rats and stench are constant reminders of their derelict existence, I think not. He would be clearing his desk, along with his editor. 

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seant

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seant says:

RE: Range Rover Evoque Si4 Dynamic (2012) CAR review

Am I missing something? I admit this isn’t one of Mr A f-C’s best efforts but, in view of ongoing posts, I re-read it. Yes, it’s a motoring journalist moaning about being lured to what he considers a dour city, rather than the hills of Tuscany. It’s an underpaid profession, the exotic travel and free petrol are the perks - he’d probably say the same if the venue had been London, Dusseldorf or Lyon. I see comments about rats in sewers - I think everyone knows rats are everywhere, we even have two in the air-conditioned, silk-lined sewers of London and we call them Ken and Boris because that’s an effete, toff, Southern joke. He implies that Liverpool’s re-generation money might have been more responsibly spent - you can debate that but, if local authorities haven’t frittered a good chunk of it away on half thought out vanity projects, they would differ from those in most other parts of the world. Most repellant, he says that Liverpudlians live with the stench of rats. Except he doesn’t, he just makes a slightly clumsy connection between sewers and disappearing grant money using a play on the well-known phrase ‘to smell a rat’. And, can I just make an observation about this Northern pre-conception that all Southerners are up themselves and how genuine they are themselves? It’s illustrated by the assumption that a man with a hyphen in his name must come from ‘down there’. Most Brits I meet who visit London seem honour bound to tell me what a shithole my adopted city is, and how unpleasant all the inhabitants are. It’s a bit rude, and it’s not true, but I live with it and I don’t really think the people making these bigoted observations are bad people. Everyone is parochial.

 

About the Evoque, I think we can disagree on many points, except one. In current designer’s ongoing quest to eliminate glass entirely, the rear visibility is atrocious. For a car that will be perversely popular in cities, that slit of a rear window is irresponsible. Crouch down at small child level and see how far back from the rear you get before you see the driver’s mirror. A reversing camera should not be an option.

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BernieHarper

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BernieHarper says:

RE: Range Rover Evoque Si4 Dynamic (2012) CAR review

 Seant is missing the point. If a review includes inaccurate and gratuitously offensive remarks about a launch venue, how can we trust his opinions on the vehicle itself? In truth, very little UK GOV money has been spent in regenerating Liverpool and none of it wasted as far I can see. Most of the money has come from the E.U. and literally billions from private finance. The result is a city that is so popular with visitors at many times in the year you cannot book a hotel room unless it is done months in advance. And they are building huge new hotels as fast as they can. Does this sound like the desolate place he describes in his article?   

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seant

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seant says:

RE: Range Rover Evoque Si4 Dynamic (2012) CAR review

BernieHarper. Being an old school Car reader, I quite like the idea of a motoring writer who is an adept social commentator. However, if they are not, that doesn’t discredit their ability to carry out their primary task. Personally, I find it tiresome to read people slagging off other people’s home towns, accurate or not - but I didn’t see anything there as being gratuitously offensive, unless the person reading is a city planner. Although I’ll accept what you say about happy tourists, the article was suggesting that the lives of many residents had been little improved by the injections. And if you point out how these things drip down, I’ll wait a few months to respond when my fellow Londoners lifestyles and incomes have blossomed following the major disruptions I’m told we’ll experience following our own local leaders Olympian vanity project.
 

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ronwhite

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ronwhite says:

RE: Range Rover Evoque Si4 Dynamic (2012) CAR review

 I think the mop headed mayor of London made a derisory or condescending comment on Liverpool and was savagely beaten into apologising -- a minor bit of recent history overlooked or ignored by Mr Mr French-Constant, at his peril. As to that RR trinket, derision is entirely appropriate. 

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BernieHarper

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BernieHarper says:

RE: Range Rover Evoque Si4 Dynamic (2012) CAR review

 As an ancient Car reader too, I loved the occasionally waspish tone of LJKS and even today find Clarksonesque rants to be generally entertaining. But this was different. Here, the “artist” decided to paint two portraits. In the first, he saw a wart and extrapolated it to a whole face. And in doing so he made his portrait grotesque and unrecognisable. This makes him at best a cartoonist, or more likely an artist in the mode of Tony Hancock in The Rebel.   So why should we trust his negative portrait of the Evoque, or any other vehicle? Of course irritation, bile and venom has its place in journalism. But never at the expense of balance or the facts. This was infantile mewling disguised as adult discourse, and sets a poor precedent for Car in my view. 

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seant

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seant says:

RE: Range Rover Evoque Si4 Dynamic (2012) CAR review

BernieHarper. I've now re-read the review a second time! To me, it actually seems very positive about the car.  Yes, Mr f-C mentions the claustrophobic rear quarters, but that's a fact and certainly not unique to the Evoque.  He also concludes that he wouldn't want one himself at that level of investment, since he doesn't like 4 cylinder engines.  That's a personal choice that I'd probably share.  Common sense dictates otherwise, but common sense would buy a Citroen Berlingo.  Still, it was nice to be reminded of Tony Hancock's under-rated The Rebel.

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Ray_A

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Ray_A says:

RE: Range Rover Evoque Si4 Dynamic (2012) CAR review

@Ronwhite - can you explain why you think one should deride this car?

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