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Ferrari F12 Berlinetta (2012) CAR Review

Ben Barry drives Ferrari's 730bhp super-GT. As sensational as it looks? Read our F12 review

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  • Posted 297 days ago (30 July 2012 09:31)
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I'm pretty sure I read a comment by nedaznir just two minutes ago. I wonder what happened - a moderator took offence maybe? No one is allowed to mention the words 'carbon fibre' in relation to Ferrari?

 

 

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  • Posted 297 days ago (30 July 2012 09:55)
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And now we have two articles with the same title (and the same content presumably). I guess it's a monday morning thing...

 

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  • Posted 297 days ago (30 July 2012 09:57)
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 Wonderful world where you get to choose between this and a 458. I'll have both, thanks. 

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  • Posted 297 days ago (30 July 2012 10:48)
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 Obviously a brilliant car. But what worries me is that you apparently sit even lower than in the 599. Mid-engined cars like the McLaren MP4 are all the better for having low driving positions. But in cars like the F12, Mercedes SLS or Corvette, where you have a ultralong bonnet, a low driving position seriously impedes both real world speed and safety.

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  • Posted 297 days ago (30 July 2012 13:05)
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What a car. I still favour the looks of the Aston Martin Vanquish, but this F12 looks to be an incredible package.

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  • Posted 297 days ago (30 July 2012 13:54)
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Luckily I saved my previous post, Nice engine and performance figures. 1600kg? The Audi A2 weighs only 950kg, sits four and is made of Aluminum too. Ferrari needs to employ a carbon fibre chassis for their roadcars, it doesn't get more Formula One technology transfer than that despite having that silly central LED light at the rear diffuser, to make one believe that it is a road car version of Fernando's. If Lamborghini could do it with their Aventador, why can't Ferrari? So is with the cheaper McLaren MP4-12C or the BMW i3 city car. The McLaren Mercedes SLR and the Lexus LFA really push the front-mid-engine, rear wheel drive layout supercar with their carbon chassis tub to another level. I look forward for a good read of the triple giant road test! Just to clarify.. I do know that the F40, F50, the Enzo and its forthcoming replacement are all carbon fibred (mid-engines). I agree with Chris, I would go for the looks of the new Aston Martin Vanquish and nicer interior too. I am afraid Ferraris these days are too racy rather than beautiful. The SLS-AMG suddenly looks pretty good damn value for what it is. Hang on, lets hope the much anticipated Jaguar F-Type (also all aluminum and four times cheaper!) drives as well as the F12.

 

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  • Posted 297 days ago (30 July 2012 14:55)
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@nedaznir - you're not exactly the brightest bulb in the room are you? The A2 weighs only 950kg, but then does not have a V12, cannot do 0-124mph in 8.4s dead, does not meet current EU emissions or safety regulations, and is not rear-wheel drive as is required for sports cars isn't it?. An Aventador, FYI weighs 1575 kg - just as much as the Ferrari despite its carbon-fibre tub. Ok it has 4wd, but as Ferrari proved with the FF their 4wd solution would only marginally increase the weight. Which makes the F12's feat all the more remarkable. Plus it has the boot space to make Lambo owners weep in complete despair.

Also, for the record, Ferrari claims aluminium makes the cars much more cost-efficient to repair than carbon-fibre.

Oh, and you fancy the BMW i3 don't you now? Well BMW will charge you an arm and a leg for it to the tune of, and this is on record by BMW, nothing less than around $45,000 or over 30,000 pounds - more expensive than a 320d in fact.

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  • Posted 297 days ago (30 July 2012 17:19)
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I do not have the figure on how much the V12 engine weights. The F12 weights 1600kg. It has a weight distribution of 46% front and 54% rear, which suggests that the engine is not the contribution of the fats. Furthermore, the F12 has more lighter exotic components than the Audi A2 with fewer seats and glass. I love Ferraris but lately they dissappoint me with their roadcars. Okay my point is, at that price point I expect a full carbon fibre tub to take on the Lexus LFA. The McLaren boys proved that they could produce the MP4-12C that is cheaper than the Ferrari 458. For now I see it as a 730bhp Maserati Granturismo. But I am not going to argue that 730bhp for 240k quids.. it is even good value. I truly believe that the F12 could have been better! Lexus could do it, why can't Ferrari?

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  • Posted 297 days ago (30 July 2012 17:53)
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 When it came out, I remember having disliked the F12. Now I've suddenly realised that was just me being a little bit silly....Or was it? I agree it's an awe-inspiring car, both in design and in its performance potential, but isn't it a bit too....much? I mean, we're talking 730bhp from what is ostensibly a Grand Tourer, albeit one with an extreme sporting bent. And then there's the much-discussed hyperreactive steering. Is it that Ferraris are very soon going to either become undriveable, impractical, inaccessible hypercars?  

Naaah. Go on ahead with your craziness, Ferrari. For, even when laboured with clonky KERS systems and increasing environmental awareness, that's one thing that'll stay with these cars for sure. 

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  • Posted 297 days ago (30 July 2012 19:51)
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A great review, but then again you expect nothing less given Ferrari's controlling PR.  Sure it will be a great car to drive, but the arguments about whether Ferrari should use carbon fibre - well why would they?  They are the established player in the market, and that BS about being cheaper to fix - I think they mean cheaper to make, and therefore more profitable.  It's almost like they acknowledge that Lambo are carbon experts (tie-up with Boeing remember), so why bother with it apart from the ultra-high end limited editions (Enzo replacement)?  Yes this is a complacent attitude on their behalf, but they can sell everything they make so they can worry about it whilst counting wads of cash.

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