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ga41

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ga41 says:

Porsche Haters?

By looking at the barrage of negative comments on every Porsche story on the website one wonders how can a company so lauded by the press be so loathed by, what it seems, everyone else (ignoring their commercial success, im talking about the CAR Online website readers).

I have to say i'm a bit biased. I think the Boxster/Cayman is the benchmark in their respective categories and the 911 is as close to perfect as a car can get. I love it's pace, its noise and yes its looks brought on by that quirky and unique engine layout. I think the main reason i love the 911 so much is just because it's different. Sure there's loads of them around but i really dont care. That's why the 911 C2S is my (relatively realistic) dream car.

I do hate the Cayenne though... But that's more because i have a problem with all giant SUV's in busy city centers. The Panamera is to early to judge too. I dont mind the looks as long as it's great at everything else so i'll have to see more about it.

So anyway, why do you hate Porsche? And if you dont why do you like them or are indifferent towards them?

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lokinen

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lokinen says:

Re: Porsche Haters?

911 is actually my favourite car, 993 being my favourite model though thank god they bought out the 997.Hate the 996,what with its fried egg haedlights and cheap build quality.Have grown to like the Cayenne, not too fussed about the boxster and its push me pull you tapered turd styling and frankly dont see the point in the cayman.Still really love the old 944 Turbo as well

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ga41

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ga41 says:

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Havent had much experience (meaning magazine articles  ) with older Porsches. The 993 is a great car but i also liked the 996 too. Anyway i like all 911's!

But still i wonder. Why all the hate on the comment section of CAR Online?

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lokinen

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lokinen says:

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I think there are two reasons why people dislike porsche .They think that Porsche have sold out by building a big heavy and in their eyes ugly 4x4 instaed of sticking to sports cars and also i think that it irritates people how porsche drip feed the technical developement of an existing model,pehaps as a cynical way of making more money .Look how everyone was expecting the cayman to be a completely different model in its own right.Turned out to be a boxster with a permanent roof and a more powerful engine for loads more money.

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ga41

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ga41 says:

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Yes but people forget that any car maker isnt building cars as a pastime. They're building cars to make money. And if the market wants a premium sports SUV or a sports coupe/saloon hybrid that's what they need to sell.

I dont like the Cayenne personally, it's too big, ugly and a pain in the ass when i encounter one in our busy city streets. But right before i start swearing at the double parking, cigarette smoking, mobile phone talking, traffic causing, blond driving the Cayenne i remember that it's Porsche's biggest seller and that because of that ugly tractor they're doing better than ever and continuing to build great nible sports cars. Then i sigh and do the side to side head shake and try to forget i ever saw that monstrosity.

So you could say in a way we should be happy the Cayenne exists..

Anyway i may have strayed from the topic at hand.

I understand that it may be frustrating to see a once exclusively sporting brand building a 4x4 or a large luxury saloon but that's what they have to do in order to survive right?

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Batty

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Batty says:

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I love Ferrari, Porsche's mortal enemy. I like the nous and business acumen of the family, I just don't get that excited by their cars. I like the 911 and the Boxster is OK but the Gayman is ugly and the Cayenne is a means to an end. Not a real Porsche at all. I'd own one happily, but I will always lust after a Ferrari.

Plus, I just don't get the aesthetics of a 356. If you do, I think it proves you really love and understand Porsche.

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ga41

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ga41 says:

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I think the 356 is gorgeous!   

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Pedro

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Pedro says:

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You got me thinking ga41.

I don’t actually hate Porsche. Indeed it seems a little silly and pointless to hate a car manufacturer. And, in any event hate isn’t one of our better emotions, is it? Expressing my feelings in a more positive way, I really want to love a successful sports car manufacturer like Porsche. But sadly I can’t bring myself to do it. Why not? Well I think it goes something like this…

Porsche have had some really iconic cars in their history. Cars that get the saliva flowing. Some I’d list in my all-time favourites such as the 356, 917, and even the 911 back when it looked fresh (I can’t exactly remember how long ago that was but 25 years is probably in the ballpark) and hadn’t been claimed as the weapon of choice by the red braces/socks of yuppies (whatever happened to those guys?).

And then Porsche ran out of ideas. Or at least they seem to run out of good ones. The 911 got caught in loop that Porsche was unable/unwilling to get out of. The engineering got fancier and fancier, overcoming the basic and somewhat flawed design. Meanwhile the stylists had a long lunch that continued for at least two decades. Yes, it’s a design classic. But it has passed the point of reinvention. Every new iteration struggles to find another way to tweak those blasted headlamp shapes or that pesky engine cover. The result is that we’re now getting design features reappearing after a gap of several years to be tried again, all with the aim of “refreshing” the design. That strip between the rear lights is a classic example.

The 911 remains a damn fine car. It still performs the impossible…the role of an everyday supercar. But it frustrates the hell out of me.

The Boxster was a great attempt to break out from the 911’s shadow whilst recalling the shape of a bygone age. I fell back in love with the brand again. But, it didn’t last. Let’s put a roof on it and hey, we could make it look like a 911! Sorry, the Cayman makes my eyes bleed. The proportions grate from every angle. Here at last was a Porsche I’d never lust after.

But wait! That wasn’t the real bad news. Let’s make an SUV that looks like a 911. We’ll engineer the hell out of it to perform like a sports car, so why don’t we pretend it is one by making it look like our sports car. And lo, the Cayenne was born and makes shed loads of money from people who I assume have wallets large enough to obscure their eyesight and dull their taste.

And soon then world will welcome a new wonder. The 4-door 911. Well we don’t want to have to waste time on the styling do we? Especially when we can turn a healthy profit by using the same shape over and over, even if it doesn’t actually work very well. I still hope that the spy shots are somehow a clever ruse and it actually looks terrific, but I suspect the Panamera will be every bit as ghastly as it can be.

[By the way, if you assume I must have the same feelings about Aston Martin you’d be wrong. I know that a whole lot of my issues with Porsche should equally apply to AM but they don’t. Not really sure why, but love isn’t logical, is it?]

So ultimately it’s hard to love Porsche even if I wanted to. Porsche have somehow contrived to have a diverse range and be a one trick pony at the same time. I’m left with a sense of disappointment and a feeling of an opportunity wasted.

Did I just say all that out loud? Bummer. As they say, “Rant over”.
 

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ga41

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ga41 says:

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Thats a great post Pedro.

So for your part it's mostly how they all look the same?

Well i have to admit that overall they're not the prettiest of cars... Except for the 911 which to me is beautiful in every way and there's nothing you can say to change my mind! 

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Pedro

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Pedro says:

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Thanks ga41.

Yes, it's mostly a styling issue - I can accept that their engineering is very strong and their ability to make money is self-evident. 

Don't worry - I won't try to change your mind - I can see why you like the 911.

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Batty

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Batty says:

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Pedro, what an excellent post. You've expressed much of the reason why I am less enamoured with Porsche than other marques. Well done!

I think you are excluding AM because they haven't been redoing the same design for too long- yet. You can sense the tide truning however, so I think its good that they are moving some of their concepts in a different direction before they become self referential like Porsche has become.

I love the 917K too (it's even in my fanatsy race car transporter), but what is it with the 356 gents? It looks like an upside down bathtub (I read that once), but it has the track of a Corgi model (you may be too young to remember ga41): you know the ones where the wheels are too far in from the wheel arches.

Look at a Cisitalia or any contemporary Ghia product (before Ford bought them) to see what else was happening. Hell  even prefer the Vignale or Michelloti Ferrari's to the 356.

Enlighten me gents.

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