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bertandnairobi

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Friday Afternoon Design

The purpose of this thread is to find design details that didn´t work. I call it Friday Afternoon Design. One gets the impression these details were concluded so as to be able to end a long tedious meeting just before the weekend. "Gosh, is that the time? I have a flight to Munich in 3 hours, so we will go with Bob´s blob concept? Agreed? Good!" The sad part is that in all likelihood some very talented and able people probably fought tooth and nail for these ideas and now have to sit about and have their work trashed by armchair designers like me.

I´ve gone out and photographed examples of these Friday Afternoon details that have snagged my eye as I´ve peered at cars over the last few years. These are design details I could never warm to and never ignore, like a really bad wart on someone´s nose. The Peugeot 106 mirror bulge is the one I have the hardest time accepting as it seems to be styling for styling`s sake and if deleted wouldn´t change the overall theme in any material sense. In the case of the Citroen C1, one can guess that with three different design teams working together there were bound to be compromises. And in this instance, Citroen lost, leaving their car with a lamp graphic that looks as if it was drawn in two minutes, in the dark. Ogees are always wrong. The Alfa 156 is a really tiny detail but bothers me because it looks like a weak little splinter of plastic just waiting to get caught on someone´s cardigan or to snap off once the plastic gets brittle with age.

If I´ve picked alot of Citroens it's because I´m a disappointed Citroeniste and also because I think Citroen design has been the most careless of any major maker. Being French is not a justification for dashing off ill-considered bits of goofiness. The best goofy designs had some deep thought behind them and these don´t.

If you have any more design flubs you can think of, send them in and let us collectively jeer at the hard work of others. That´ll teach them.

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bertandnairobi

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Re: Friday Afternoon Design

Friday Afternoon Design Part 2: more photos

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ga41

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ga41 says:

Re: Friday Afternoon Design

Very interesting thread. I dont have any photos to post at the moment but your thread did made me go out and check out the wing mirrors on our 156!

I never noticed the shape of the mirror sail before to be honest! I think it looks slightly better with a painted side mirror but yes that pointy bit looks slightly odd.

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bertandnairobi

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Re: Friday Afternoon Design

For those of you lucky enough never to have seen a 1996 Chevrolet Camaro, look away. The mirror and a-pillar treatment of the Peugeot 206 remind me of this. There was much creativity in GM at this time - at least when it came to a-pillars. The Vectra (above) is from around this period too.

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car4mh

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 Switching from A-pillar to C-pillar, the first-generation Mazda 6 hatchback has always annoyed me.  Why they weren't able to do something more elegant with the rear door frame to better align with the shape they wanted for the windowline is beyond me.  The idea that it got a cursory 'let the production guys figure it out' before the design team ran off for Friday night drinks in Hiroshima makes sense.

As Bert pointed out on the Chevy Cruze, there's a fair amount of this 'if we paint it black, nobody will notice' over-framing of the glasshouse to disguise those NCAP bunker pillars.  A really bad example of that is the 370Z - I like the homage to the 240Z in the rear-quarter windowline on the outside, but it offers almost no outward vision for the driver.  They might as well have saved some weight in glass, and done the whole structure behind the door in metal.  I miss the idea that we could see out of a car while driving.  

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bertandnairobi

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Re: Friday Afternoon Design

"I miss the idea that we could see out of a car while driving. "


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I do as well. My uncle has a Renault Megane wagon. Looking back through the car is like looking down a long tunnel. All the pillars are massively thick. It´s appalling. And it means cars in front are harder to see past, which has safety implications. I presume there are other examples of this problem. A-pillar mirror sails are now enormous. Pick a car, any car!

I have attached two examples of some careless design. One is the comical Ford Mustang with its huge window and teeny weeny patch of glass. And the other image is a Lexus GS which was the first example I can remember seeing of a window line and side glass being badly matched.

The Nissan is a great modern example of this, by the way. Well spotted.
 

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Batty

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Darkened window lines are a particular affront to me. They fade as they unfailingly found on cars that are cheap (or cheaply designed). The "fake" side of the new Volt is particularly poor, why did they feel the need to try and emulate the show car by such poor detailing?

I cannot find comfort in the inner rear light cluster of the XF either. It looks ill resolved, a classic "Friday afternnon" detail for mine. I would have thought a slight concave curve to the top of the reflector would have added greater tension, and made it look less like the lower lens had already fallen off.

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bertandnairobi

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Since my last post my eyes have been peeled for more examples of Friday Afternoon Design. This latest example doesn´t photograph too well when you´re walking by someone else´s car trying to look casual. The problem here is the boot to bumper interface on the lovely old Alfa 166. I love this car, despite its squinty, tiny headlamps. What I don´t like so much is this boot. You´ll have to see it in the metal to really see how sloppy it is. It´s so sloppy I don´t really know what´s going on other than that nobody else has done this with their boot lid/bumper. It looks decidedly odd. What is going on here is that the plastic bumper comes up behind the bootlid and goes back somewhere to form the sill of the boot. I don´t like it and there must be a reason no one else has adopted this formula for their boot-to-bumper arrangement.

Re the jag: You´ll have to explain that problem with the reflector with a diagram. It looks fine to me. Not nice or bad, just inert.

 

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morepowerigor

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It looks like the Mustang team met during the 80's exclusively on Friday afternoons...

I give you rear lamp louvers in body color from a 1990 Mustang, and the '86 Mustang that shows where the fake glassline and its optomistic obscuration band in later models came from..

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morepowerigor

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Re: Friday Afternoon Design

OK cheap shot time, but it is late.

The whole Design team on the CC Peugeots only seem to have met on Friday afternoon or 7.30 am on Monday morning before the first coffee had had a chance to take effect, or before the boys from Turin had made it in from the airport....

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bertandnairobi

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Now I see where the Mustang was coming from. There was a lot of structure they couldn´t or wouldn´t get rid of when they increased the glazing after deleting the fake louvres. (There are still fakes louvres to be found on the Ford S-Max, slightly undermining a very good design).
What I noticed about the Mustang at the time (I lived in Maryland for a while in 1992 and 1993) was how much it reminded me of the 80s Ford Escort. This was an odd place for them to look for inspiration. Compared to other 80s and 90s cars it was a conspicuously rough and coarse bit of industrial design. Specifically it was quite a bad time for Ford from a design perspective. In fairness, most of GMs N US crop was abysmal: badge engineered standard bodies with different noses and tails stuck on.

Incidentally I had to laugh at the idea of the Mustang design team only meeting on Friday afternoons. It certainly looked that way then and now. Bad design endures.

It occurs to me that while one can criticise the German brands for their overall styling (which is a matter of taste), it is very hard to find any Friday Afternoon Design on their products. The French and Italians seem to be keener on this art, for some reason.
 

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