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bertandnairobi

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Re: 1965 Bentley T-Type

Thanks for wandering into the gallery. I hope the attendent there didn´t disturb you. He snores alot.

You know, the Lincoln MK8 was very much an under-rated car. Lincoln´s intention was to evoke the great grand tourers of the 30s - Duisenburg?- but since the 90s nobody´s been in that mood. I would cherish a chance to see a Mk8 in the metal, to reevaluate the design. In a perfect world someone from Classic&ThoroughlySportsClassic would do a head to head and re-assess the last of the US luxury coupes. I might be tempted to put the last Eldorado into the fight. 

The Lincoln was nearly certainly the best made of the three cars. The Cadillac had the best engine (the Northstar, so I am told) while in my view, the Buick looked the best. But only a real head to head would tell if my prejudices and (mis) information is correct. Quite possibly the Lincoln is the best of the three. I must look into the matter further.

The Buick is in my gallery because the car was styled by one Bill Porter, one of GM´s least known but most thoughtful and hardworking designers. He was responsible aslo for the very excellent Park Avenue of 1994 which was quite simply the zenith of American car styling in its modern phase. If you feel so moved and have some cash to spare, C Edson Arme´s book, "The Art of American Car Design" is one the best and most intelligent books ever written on car design. And it covers ground that no-one else has covered, namely the nitty gritty of the car design process as it was from the 40s to the late 80s. It´s a gem. Stephen Bayley´s small volume "Sex & Drink & Fast Cars" is also excellent but is far less technical than the American book. I can recommend both.

As to Land-Windermere´s photography style, the best pointer I can think of is to cease to view the car as one single object. Look at its parts. Look close up. Look sideways. Look around the car and see if there are contrasts. Sit in the back seat and see what you can see from there. Take the photos with a film camera and transfer the images to CD and then crop/edit them but don´t mess with the other values (like saturation, hue, contrast et cetera) as it lends the photos an artifcial look. Of course, L-W did this without digital manipulation but he was a genius and could, as it were, crop and edit a photo before the shutter had even opened. Have you seen a book called "Quatre Saisons" which is a photo study of the Citroen CX? It would appear to be a photobook inspired by the aesthetics of 70s soft-core pornography but the compositions are very Land-Windermere.

 

 

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car4mh

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Re: 1965 Bentley T-Type

Thank you for that gem of knowledge regarding Bill Porter!  I've long-thought along the same lines about the Buick Park Avenue, and admired the 1989 Park Avenue Essence concept shape a great deal.  The Park Avenue Essence was one of those curvaceous concept cars that brought to mind what a modern Jaguar might look like, in the days when we were stuck with the XJ40.  I'll bear those books in mind also.  You'll be unsurprised to hear that I have not seen "Quatre Saisons"  but I can imagine the photography style.

I'd be interested in seeing a Riviera/Mk VIII/Eldorado comparison...perhaps I'll search for one online this weekend.  

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bertandnairobi

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That´s a good reference. It was rather obvious that Buick were attempting to emulate some Jaguar style and to their credit, at least did it in a rather lovely way. I fantasised for year about owning a Park Avenue Ultra. You sometimes see them in Switzerland as taxis. The newest Buicks are not a patch on the two 90s iterations of the Park Avenue. It might interest you to know that Jamie Kitman considered the PA as GM´s best saloon car. I don´t think he was wrong.

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bertandnairobi

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Here are two Lincoln MkVIIIs and a Cadillac Eldorado. The latter is very poorly represented on Google as a picture search. Most of the photos are small, bad or both.

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bertandnairobi

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And finally, courtesy of Wikipedia, the Lincoln´s interior.

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bertandnairobi

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I have found a photo of the damaged Bentley. I shall post it tomorrow.

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car4mh

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 Mr. Andnairobi, thank you for that collection of photos and comments on the big American cruisers.  I'd forgotten about the spare wheel carrier effect on the bootlid of the Mk VIII...not its best angle.  But I really like the interior's swoopy wrap-around star trek update on the traditional slab-fronted US dashboard - to me it works on a car like this, but I recall despairing when the Honda Prelude got remade with a similar concept.

The Eldorado deserves better - along with the Seville STS it was a car that began bringing Cadillac forwards on its exterior styling, and as you say it had the fine Northstar V8.  Although it was driving the front wheels if I recall correctly.  Hmm - clearly the CTS was a long way away.  

On Park Avenues, I prefer the first edition for its slim A pillars and cantilevered roof effect.  It reminds me of Mazda's Eunos Cosmo (now I've really hijacked this thread...)

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bertandnairobi

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You are quite correct in viewing the earlier Park Avenue as the nicer design. The cantilevered roof effect was allied with a really nice architecture for the a-pillar where there was a curved quarter light behind the a-pillar. This predated the Citroen XM´s own version of a wrapped-around windscreen and was part of GM´s aerodynamic styling theme at the time. That Park Avenue overall had a terrific sense of solid upper middle class American classicism about it. The chrome work and the body sculpting lent the car a weight, seriousness and luxuriousness I find today as then especially pleasing. Buick had a terrific paint quality too. The full width rear light cluster deserves a mention so I am mentioning it now. The PA interior was really well made too and, quite frankly, I would love to own one. This car sold quite well in Switzerland which is where I´ve seen most of them.  You can pick them up in Europe for a few thousand euros now.

I´ve posted a photo of a 1982 Nissan Leopard in the "Forgotten Cars" forum. Here was another cantilevered roof concept but applied to a much boxier design.

About the Honda: I rather liked that swoopy interior and indeed the whole car. Do you think a more "driver oriented" dash would have been preferable? There´s no right answer to this. I´m just curious. That generation of the Prelude worked out especially well. The follow up was perversely conservative in comparison, one of those deadly serious designs that take a decade to understand. That´s too late in the fickle coupe market.

 

 

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bertandnairobi

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Coming soon, something on the famous '79 Peugeot 505.

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bertandnairobi

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It´s surprising how little interest this has attracted!

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