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gtrslngr

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Ghost of LJK Setright

   Well several here have mentioned this idea and I've been doing a lot of research on LJKS of late more for nostalgia than anything but have found his writings to still have impact and inspiration .

    So I'd like to start this page on the writings , memories and influences LJKS may have have on each of us .  Since CAR's and LJKS's success are so linked I thought this appropriate and perhaps a page to educate those here unfamiliar with the Olde Man .

     A couple of ground rules to avoid the bunny trails and off topic conversation that can overwhelm a page .

1) Limit your comments either to Quotes . The influence LJKS had had on you. Or what you miss about him and the fact that none have filled his shoes in any venue of late .

2) If you quote LJKS please include the source so all of us can track it down for our own collection if we choose .

3) No personal attacks here please . plenty of other pages etc. on the site to do that  .

 

       Also any CAR staff that would like to contribute and or post any archive articles by LJKS please feel welcome . This page  is intended for the benefit of all .

 

        So.... Lets see what we can dig up and how much if any interest there is for LJKS .

       I present to you

       THE GHOST OF LJK SETRIGHT  

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 And I'll start first by mentioning some of LJKS's influences on myself .

1) The pair of Lamb Skin driving gloves that still reside in whatever my current vehicle is .

2) When I smoked it was Balkan Sobraine Black & Gold for me only .

3) His articles on Audiophile still influence my every component purchase

4) My new found love of all things Bristol

5) The fact that I still feel the Honda/Acura NSX was the most brilliant mass production  car ever made (Gordon Murray agrees on this one  )

6) His willingness to take on any controversy in spite of the consequences .

7) My attitude towards growing old . ( Any fool can do young . It takes a man of strength and character to grow old and grey hairs are medals of courage .; A paraphrase )

 

      Thats all from me for now . Have at it . 

 

PS; If anyone knows where LJKS's articles on the advantages of Old Age as well as Vincent Motorcycles  can be found please let me know .

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seant

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Yes Gtrslngr, as Goatboy said in a recent thread “If Only .... Leonard Setright was still alive”. As it happens, that had already inspired me to start writing my own meanderings, hence my speedy response to your.timely thread.

Here was a man who will divide the Car readership even now, several years after his death. For me I discovered him soon after he started writing for Car in the late 60s, just when he had decided to give up the day job. I long ago had to dump my old issues so have never re-read these first columns. He was probably finding his style then, but immediately I realised here was someone different. What appealed then was his breadth I suppose. He seamlessly linked my motoring passion to the rest of the world, putting it into both a technical and a social context, and making it somehow intellectually respectable in my 16 year old eyes.

Now, such youthful infatuations don’t always last. I read ‘On The Road’ round about this time, and thought that a fantastic book, but now I cringe at what I saw in it. But I grew up with Setright and never outgrew him.

His prose and personal style sometimes teetered dangerously on the portentous, but it was never less than elegant. Fear of pretension is the big bogey for Brits, one of the worst crimes - punishable by having to stand in Pseuds Corner. Well LJKS had no fear of this, he had the confidence, knowledge and skill to ignore such considerations. In the dim days when I read Private Eye, until I got old enough to tie my own laces and vote, I remember him featuring there, and I’m sure he did afterwards. That they should have had half his style. Not that I was an open-eyed dupe in all this. If he quoted Ovid (in the original Latin of course) I neither chortled in conspiratorial wisdom, nor went running in awe to my dictionary. I even got a bit pissed off with him, for either boasting about his own knowledge or trying to shame me into improving mine. But really, honestly, ultimately I wouldn’t have had him change a word to make it more accessible. He was smarter than me, and that was OK.

This was one thing I found perversely enjoyable about LJKS. Realising that, much as I might like to meet him, he would have had no desire to meet me, finding me shallow, under-informed on so many things, and certainly on Mozart, would probably judge me a mediocre driver and, worst of all, tut at me being a non-smoker. Clarkson (and I apologise for mentioning him in the same thread as the Blessed Leonard) is liked by people, I suspect, because he is just a cartoon version of an ordinary bloke - you look at him and think ‘I could do that’. He’s your silly big brother. Setright’s image was intimidating, slightly schoolmastery, though I gather from reading those who knew him, that he was actually quite shy.

And, like a schoolmaster, we were occasionally treated to dry jokes. I still can’t look at the front of a BMW without remembering his chronicling the genesis of its grille from the two proud upright Bratwurst (or was in Knackwurst) of the 328 to a rather lacklustre pair of slices of luncheon meat of the then new 5 Series.

Thinking about it, whilst writing this, I realise quite how much of my entire attitude to motoring has been informed by LJKS. Without my always being aware of it, opinions are made with him somehow looking over my shoulder. This isn’t some dumb mimicry - not worthy! - it is a useful aid for understanding things, for trying to come at something from another angle. What would LJKS’s take on this be? Would Setright approve? Of course I really don’t know. For instance, I like to think that he despised the Veyron, as I do, but then, for some convoluted reason, he might have loved it. That unpredictability was what was so good about him.

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..... continued

Years ago, driving my Citroen round a tight, bumpy bend one day soon after I bought it, the rear kicked out. Slightly worried, I then distantly remembered something he had written about the narrow rear track of the SM making it virtually a three wheeler, giving it some of the nimbleness of the Morgan 3 wheeler he once owned. It made sense, and thinking of the car like this I could much more clearly understand its limits.

Regarding his name, on a few occasions, I have seen him referred to as ‘Len Setright’. Now this was by fellow journalists, who may have known him well, and this familiarity might have been sanctioned. However, to me, it just seemed so inappropriate for a man who, so often, even referred to himself in the third person. No, it was either LJKS or Setright, maybe Leonard Setright (but even that seems a bit cheeky).

He just disappeared from the pages of Car one month. He remained for ages billed as a special contributor, but he never seemed to contribute again. Maybe someone else can answer whether that was his choice or Car’s. I think this was around about the time it merged with Performance Car, and the dumbing down process had begun, so maybe he just had enough.

Sometimes, a bit like a bereaved son, I get angry with him. Why did he stop writing for Car? Why did he have to smoke those bloody cigarettes and kill himself? Anyway, he’s gone, and nobody of similar stature has really taken his place. And of course, like the Citroen renaissance that is never going to happen, an heir is never going to appear. Those were different times. People just don’t grow up that way any more, with that odd self discipline combined with the uniquely wide range of experiences that came from living through the Second War and coming out into that repressed but optimistic new world.

So by all means let’s celebrate him here. With his most incisive piece of engineering insight. With his most tangential of connections. With his most overblown piece of prose. Or with the most Setrightian of our own opinions.

Expedit esse deos, et, ut expedit, esse putemus.

 

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Seant;

          Exactly the kind of post I was hoping for . Grazzi ! 

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Goatboy

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Those initials said it all really. Here was a man who was prepared to be vain, to be inflammatory, to be mischievous, to inform, to deign to educate. As Seant points out, the Englishman is almost pathologically terrified of ’pretension’ a trait almost as heinous as being seen to have no sense of humour. But as the artist Brian Eno once said, what exactly is wrong with pretending? Surely it’s a childlike trait - we all pretended to something once before we knuckled down to the dreary repetition of our adult lives. LJKS was perhaps something of a dandy in his dress and in the manner in which he expressed himself. Unlike a Wildian dandy however, he knew a great deal and was in by no means embarrassed to let the reader know this. All truly interesting people possess an interest in almost everything and Setright was no exception. His knowledge was wide ranging and at times bewildering. He was cheerfully devoid of self consciousness (at least in his prose) as this snippet may illustrate. “ So far I have been justly been accused of being obscure, pedantic, pompous, verbose, haughty and so on as lib. Having got off to a good start, I now look forward to being grumpy, erratic, disorientating, funny (some hope!), hypercritical, lofty, impenetrable, and so on ad naus - just as soon as these equally desirable traits come equally naturally to me“.
His speed behind the wheel was legendary - few journalists were prepared to travel with him. Those who did often bitterly regretted doing so. His exactitude was equally well noted and I can well imagine he suffered fools (or those he thought foolish) not at all. He apparently delivered his copy perfectly formed, spaced and edited. It needed no further attention, according to the then editor Steve Cropley. I very much doubt he'd have wanted one comma altered by a mere editor. As his stature within Car grew during the 1980's he became the magazine's soul, the keeper of the flame. He curated an anniversary supplement of Car's best writing, happy it seemed to critique his own words as much as anyone else's. Perhaps this issue marked his zenith - he appeared on the cover and got the cover strapline to boot. He even appeared on telly once, espousing the marvels of the Citroen DS for 'The Car's the Star', as unlikely and incongurous as that might appear...
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LJKS taught me almost everything about cars - everything worth knowing anyway. I always turned to his column first upon first opening a fresh issue of car. I have kept an amount of them despite having culled most of my magazine collection. His opinion on a car was to me definitive. His approval of immense magnitude, his distain crushing.
I saw him once at Primrose Hill in London. A hot summer’s afternoon in 2003, he was dressed impeccably in a grey tweed three piece suit, his trademark hat and a walking cane. Utterly unmistakable. I was trembling with excitement - possibly the only person there who knew who he was. I didn’t approach him - I wouldn’t have known what to say. You should never meet your heroes anyway. Nevertheless I was delighted. LJKS in the flesh.
News of his death was a terrible blow. Like our esteemed Seant, I also wondered why he had suddenly disappeared from the pages of Car. My belief remains that he became something of an embarrassing anachronism to the young hot shots that ran Car in the early years of the previous decade. Setright was always out of his time anyway, but by then his brand of intellectual rigour was out of place in a world of circulation figures and the cult of vacuity, as personified by the Clarksons of this world. I suppose I revered him too much really. Reading back through his columns now I find myself disagreeing with some of his views and realising that he was often wrong in his opinions. But like all of the dearly deceased, I forgive him his excesses and recall the enjoyment and the mental stimulation his work provided; the sheer delight he took in his own intellect and in imparting it to his readers.
Another snippet from one of his columns - the subject being the Lancia Delta Integrale; “Something has happened that is terribly, terribly worrying. I try to comfort myself with the thought that it is merely the result of some obscure statistical probability, and that it should never happen again; but once the rot has started, who knows how it may spread? Has the bombadier of fate fixed me unwittingly in some verified close bracket, ready to stonk Setright into subjection? Is it - the very idea is horrifying - my fault?
The grisly fact cannot be evaded; I have found myself agreeing with everybody else”.
A little of Setright lives within me to this day, in the way I view cars, the manner in which I struggle with words and I still wonder what he’d make of something like a Prius. Or the rise of the SUV?
His loss is immeasurable, because he cannot be replaced or replicated. Setright was unique.

I would also like to say Seant, your wonderfully composed essay utterly nails my feelings towards the man, to the point that the foregoing is somewhat redundant. May I also bid you a fond welcome back to the back pages…

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Goatboy ;

      And may I say your essay is wonderfully written also. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

     As to LJKS's opinions on SUV's that one was made quite clear in all of his obituaries ( UK Press still available online ) . He despised them .

    The Prius ? Well if his opinions on Audiophile equipment can be any kind of  a guide I would guess he'd see it as a pretentious poorly engineered travesty with more promise than reality (  a paraphrase from an article in Stereophile ) 

    You and Seant have set the bar high . Where I wanted it . Thank you and here's hoping for much more of the same.

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Goatboy. You are now doubly envied. First, because you once saw and heard De Cadenet’s 8C Alfa which is, I have recently realised, my quintessential car. Second, because you actually saw LJK Setright. My only criticism is that you did not talk to him. Of course, I would have done, or more correctly not done, exactly the same as you under the circumstances. But it does occur that this man, who perfected such an intimidating air, might never have realised quite how many people held him in affection, as well as esteem.

This also finally confirms to me that he did actually exist. In fact I realised this some time ago but, when I first came across his Car column, it was illustrated by a quasi psychedelic drawing of a man with most unlikely facial hair (and a monocle?) and an obviously contrived name so, for the first couple of issues, I just assumed that he was someone writing under a pseudonym.

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I have enjoyed reading these posts enormously. It is gratifying that LJKS´s spirit is still hovering in the vicinity of CAR.

One of my favourite Setright sayings was that you learn more about a car by driving it badly than by driving it well. This was in the context of hurling a Citroen Xantia Activa around a test track. He took an Opel Tigra around Spain one time and en passant managed to do a nice pen picture of the country, one about which I still know remarkably little but Setright at least drew a comprehensible broad brush image of the place. I mention this because there was more to the story than the car. These days wherever motoring journos drive the places seem rather undifferentiated.

This brings me to the contrast between Clarkson and Setright. I am staying in Britain now and having been away for several years, I see the place in a new light. I rather think that the shoddy dilapidation and careless disorder of the place reflects that fact that the spirit of the UK is represented by Clarkson rather than by Setright. In other words, there was a titanic shift in the values of this place such that there is no place for the careful discernment of a Setright. Rather there is a love of the foolish and crude emotionalism of Clarkson and all this entails. The ironic thing about this is that Setright was an arch-conservative with a personal libertarian streak. His libertarianism was only made possible by a strong self-control and thoughfulness. As a conservative Setright might have extolled in theory the pragmatic, liberal approach of Britain´s post-Thatcherite era but the reality is one of entrenched mediocrity and the deletion of much that is worthy and good in the name of short-term interests.   

What I most admire about Setright was his abilty to make very fine distinctions. This discernment made him a sharp analyst but it was matched with a precise prose. And if you couldn´t follow the prose it was because he was constructing sentences designed to pick out finer details than is customery in car journalism.

As I might have said in other posts, the current crop of motoring writers are a product of their times as was LJKS. So, we won´t be having any more erudite writers until the culture changes so that more respect is accorded to knowledge and insight rather than wise-crack commentaries inspired by stand-up comedy.

 

 

 

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Setright noted that widening track was a more effective way to lower the centre of gravity than by lowering the car. In this context the Citroen XM had a lower c.o.g than the Jaguar XK-8. Setright had a profound understanding of engineering. I liked the way he could explain the significance of engineering differences in the way a good tailor could tell you why one detail on a jacket was preferable to another. Setright alerted me to the qualities of the driving experience and so I felt better able to assess a car having read his writings than before. Given that cars are now so anaesthetic in their driving quality I can see why motoring scribes are having a hard time saying much about them. I wonder whether Setright would have disliked the plethora of addenda that are peripheral to actually driving a machine: iPod connectivity, MP3 connections, mobile phone jacks, satnavs, COMAND, iDrive and the rest. The machinery is vanishing - or seems to be vanishing- behind ever more luxuriantly trimmed plastic and leather and wood. I wonder what Setright would feel about this development.

 

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