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Batty

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Batty says:

Re: Me, a car snob?

I am not a car snob Sean, but it doesn't make my rationale for buying one any better. For me I like the most powerful car in the range first (but then I would like to have the badges removed so it isn't obvious) and the best to enjoy a spirited drive in. If it looks awful then I won't  consider it, I would choose a Holden over a Ford but that is silly, and and Italian car above most all, which is masochistic.

So while I am not a snob, I am very obviously an Italian aesthete sado-masochist, with  who likes to have something highly thrusting driving him with no one else knowing.

Do I pass or fail?

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.

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seant

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seant says:

Re: Me, a car snob?

MrToad. Welcome to the site, and congratulations on choosing a title that I wish I’d thought of! I agree with you on the Mondeo - such an excellent car but so hard to love. As for the Ka, it’s the most agile small car I’ve ever driven though, the fact that you only spun your SportKa once in 50,000 miles, rather disqualifies you from your screen name. I’m sure the real Mr Toad could have managed it within 50 yards! On the Multipla too I agree with almost all you say, and on top of that I even like the styling, but I still ended up disliking the one I bought. With a bad lower back, the combination of seat support and ride made hard cornering strangely painful, something I’ve encountered in no other vehicle. Such a pity, because it was at odds with an otherwise great package, though you might point out that hard cornering is not the Multipla’s purpose anyway. Also, although I wasn’t actually driving it at the time, a front wheel falling off on a roundabout didn’t help. I hurry to reassure you that it was no inherent fault of the Fiat’s, it was down to an inattentive mechanic at a lousy garage, but an incident like that always colours the ownership experience!

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seant

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seant says:

Re: Me, a car snob?

Batty. You pass on all counts, Mark. Now what was the question? Is liking a car because it’s Italian snobbery? Is it some sort of prejudice? Is it just a reasoned decision, based on the product of that country’s industry? Or is it affection for your family’s roots? Probably a bit of all - except the first of course, because you are Australian and, I believe, snobbery was outlawed there in 1901.

On the badge thing, I do agree, although some badges, like the unexpectedly ornate script over the back of the Alfa Giulia Super I mentioned above, are rather endearing. I first came across the ‘badge delete option’ on BMWs in the 1970s. It was the time of terrorist activity in Europe and it was suggested that a lot of bosses felt that not advertising the high-spec of their cars would avoid the envy of their workers - a bit naive maybe! I’ve seen a lot of un-numbered but obviously low-spec BMWs around, so it obviously works both ways. And I suppose some people might even up-spec their cars on the cheap, just by adding the relevant badge.
 

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-Joe-

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-Joe- says:

Re: Me, a car snob?

I saw someone not long ago in a Sepring. I too probably had the same reaction. I don't understand. Now think of the all the cars you could have had instead and the person said no to every single one of them....

"I am an admirer of Jonathan Ive's work and I like to take it as a compliment." Dieter

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car4mh

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car4mh says:

Re: Me, a car snob?

I try to be charitable towards people seen in public at the wheel of a Sebring.  Perhaps it was all that was left at the rentacar counter.  Who knows, one day it could be you or I stuck behind the wheel of one through no fault of our own.     BMW X6 drivers have no such excuse though...

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kubrick

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kubrick says:

Re: Me, a car snob?

 There are a number of facets to this whole topic that make it even more curious than it appears at first. Let's take the classic car society: as seant pointed out, there are those which value pretty rubbish cars just simply because they're old and rare these days. But these's also an even stranger, more twisted phenomenon: the classic that's too accepted.

Exhibit A: Mercedes SL "Pagode" (W113). Over the past few years, the Pagode has turned into the wealthy classic car enthusiast's Golf - you wouldn't believe just how many of them are around at any given summer day in Hamburg. They're pretty, they're relatively robust and easy to maintain; in short: they're a painless way to bathe in the warm glow of classic car ownership, just without the typical drawbacks. Personally, I love Paul Bracq's glorious styling; I'd even go as far as saying I think its a prettier car than the 300SL Gullwing. Yet I doubt I'll ever own one, even if my financial situation allowed for it - it's just too obvious and I'd be part of the herd.

Exhibit B: Alfa Giulietta Sprint/105 Coupé/"Bertone". It's a glorious machine and everything an Alfa should be: RWD, equipped with a great engine, styling and handling. I used to have it on my wish list, until I found out I'm too tall. But even if a hunchback was an option, I probably wouldn't get myself the Alfa. Like the Pagode, it's burdened with a loyal costumer base that's just not my kind of crowd. Here in Germany, the typical "Bertone" driver is relatively young and oh so hip - retro sunglasses, summer scarves, designer leather jackets et al. He probably owns a funky Mini/New Mini as a daily drivers. He buys old cars mainly because his neighbour doesn't and because they fit his independent, as well as cool, lifestyle. Thankfully, the Alfa fits the bill: it's Italian (like his beloved frothy latte caramel frappucino), it's from the 60s (grooovy, baby!) and spare parts are easily obtained and repairing is a relatively simple affair (let's get this straight: in contrast to those sad anoraks, this Alfa driver's got a life!).

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-Joe-

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-Joe- says:

Re: Me, a car snob?

I think I fit the bill of that Alfa driver very well. I do wish sometimes I was Italian and yes while last year in Florence for a Art trip I spent a tad over 30 quid on nice soft bright-multi-coloured stripy scarf. It's very me. Like at the moment I'm building some speakers. Their domes not boxes and the speaker cloth has arrived today. It's not the usual black; its white. Mearely to fit my minimilist theme I am going for. I really want a Fiat 600 Multipla. It's very me, very practical, but has so much style and so many little details which make to me it great. most people would probably snigger and make jokes at it being backwards, but I don't care. Another thing is if I was in living in London I would happily own a BMW C1. Its very rpactical and has a whole scope for modifing to make it a real luagge mover, in my eyes it would be very practical for me. I suppose people will snigger at it with its roof and weird box headlight. I don't care. Moving on lastly I would also love a Alfa GTV/Spider(pre-facelift 916 variant). But I don't want the latter version, with a body kit etc. I want one in silver and without the teledials and them very subtle but very stylish modern wire style wheels, so I can fully appreciate its supurb design. So I don't beleive when I come to buy cars oneday I'm a car snob from what I've explained apart from my taste in scarves, which has had it's own comments from people, but you've guessed it; I don...... ........ Oh and my coffee of choice is the Mocha......
 

"I am an admirer of Jonathan Ive's work and I like to take it as a compliment." Dieter

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gtrslngr

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gtrslngr says:

Re: Me, a car snob?

  Is I is or is i ain't a Car Snob . Hmmn ?

 

 Well I can say up and until my 10 day drive in a Corvette C6 last year I was most certainly a Euro Snob . As well as being able to very honestly say there is a whole range of cars i wouldn't be seen dead in which would include ;

1) Any Hyundai

2)BMW X6 and that God Awful new 5 variant the Touring 

3)Jaguar X type as well as the XF and the new XJ

4) Veyron 

5) Any post 456 Ferrari 

6)Any Blinged out Chav anything 

7) Any Hummer 

8)Spyker 

9)Any and all Hybrids and E/V's ( until they sort them out that is )

     etc, etc. 

 

     But does that qualify me as a " Car Snob " or just a rather discerning and picky Car Afficianado ?

I guess that would be up to others to judge .

 

       Personally I lean towards the discerning type as it applies to me . But then again I am just a bit biased .

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kubrick

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kubrick says:

Re: Me, a car snob?

 Joe, 

like you I care about the clothes I'm wearing and the looks of most items I come across in daily life. You guessed it: I actually consider myself a bit of an aesthete. The question is: do I drive an Alfa 1750 GTV because I want to stick it to that mate of mine who's working at that large agency and driving a - snigger! - Merc C-Class - snort! - company car or because I just like Alfas and those designed by Giugiaro in particular? Do I, generally speaking, make decisions and choices based on what I like or what others might think? It's self-consciousness I'm talking about.

As I said earlier: I love the Alfa Giulia Sprint, but too many people who own one do so for the wrong reason, which has tarnished the car's reputation, which means I'm also guilty of self-consciousness, because I allow those people to alter my judgement of the car. 

I'm in no position to judge you or your reasons for aspiring to a certain kind of car or lifestyle, no matter what kind of coffee you prefer (espresso for me) or what kind of colour your speakers are. All I know is that too often Alfa 105 Coupés are bought not for driving, but just for posing.

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gtrslngr

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gtrslngr says:

Re: Me, a car snob?

Kubrick ;

 

      For what its worth . And maybe this is due to both age , cynicism and a bit of a rebellious streak within me ( nahhh a Musician with a Rebellious Streak ? )  I've gotten to the point where i really couldn't give a Rats Behind what anyone thinks of the cars I like and drive .

       Oh I may have a bit of fun getting into a good argument defending what I like but thats just the contentious side of my personality ( I just love a good clean fight now and again )

        Now days I just buy the car that fits my current needs and taste and to (bleep ) with everyone else .

        And when I buy my next car the criteria will be the same . Do i like it ? do I enjoy driving it ? And does it fit my current needs ? If so in the garage it goes .  Whatever it may be !

       The wife is pretty much of the same attitude . Hence her Toyota Matrix xR . ( Verso in the UK )

 

PS; Coming to this point in my life is much of the reason behind ridding myself of a couple of exotics including the "F ' word . Like & Enjoy still applied but they no longer fit my needs at all . Hence . Gone !

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