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bertandnairobi

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Double-takes and lookalikes

A really great or in fact any half-decent design for a motor carriage (referred to hereinafter as "car" or vehicle") should look sufficiently distinct never to be mistaken for anything else. The Fiat Multipla and the Jaguar XJ saloons of yesteryear are nothing like each other and like nothing else (though the Multipla did look a bit like a dolphin). Sometimes a design emerges that either overtly or subtly reminds you of someone else´s car. The subtle ones give you what I call an "eye feeling" of another design and the less subtle ones just scream "I have a photocopier and I know how to use it." I´ve presented some examples below to illustrate my point. Lexus have blended various essences of Eurobarge to sculpt their leviathans while Toyota seem to apply the methods of homeopathy to water down other people´s work until the recognition is at best subliminal.

 The Renault Laguna [hereinafter the "Laguna"] today tingles and fizzes with a suggestion of Citroen. A cursory Google image search shows how coy Renault are about showing this car in black and in profile. The entire wing line is lifted from the Citroen CX and only the lights break up the effect. The kink in the chrome on the rear door seems to mumble "Ami 6" under its garlic and Petrus breath. If the badges on this car were swapped to say Citroen C5 I think it would make a lot more sense. I don´t know what to do with the actual C5 which refers to nothing ever made in France.

The Alfa 6 is plainly something BMW could have thought of, down to the twin lamps, prognathous snout and Jagermeister kink. The key difference is the proportions are wrong and everything fell off the car within minutes of turning the key.

Lastly, the Audi A5 sportback. This is a subtle one but if the roofline was transposed on the Citroen C6 the C6 would be the better for it. As it is the A5 looks like the kind of car the French would like to do but don´t have the self-control for. I like the A5 apart from its woeful packagíng and dreary interior and terrible ride.

Have you any such examples you would like to share with us here at the forum? Our telephone lines are open and any calls will be recorded for quality purposes but above all for your comfort and safety.

B&N

 

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Goatboy

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Goatboy says:

Re: Double-takes and lookalikes

bertandnairobi,
When I finally stopped giggling at your finely honed and delightfully worded proposal, I gave serious thought to the matter. But nothing bubbled up from the jumble of memory. However, this evening I went for a stroll amidst the suburban splendour of South Norwood and a number of contenders raised their noses to sniff the chilly air before committing themselves. But before I do, some thoughts.

I believe the aforementioned Alfa 6 was designed before it’s Alfetta sibling yet looks like it was cobbled together from whatever was lying around in Portello at the time. Like the recent 166, it sat around for some years before they finally decided to go ahead and make it, so it looked both dated and out of sync with the rest of the range by the time it was launched. I think they sold about two...

As I was perambulating through my neighbourhood tonight, I found my eyes drawn to a previous generation Laguna and was struck by the elegance of it’s lines. It made me wonder what possessed Renault’s designers to take the dodgy route through the bushes with the current iteration. If indeed as you suggest B&N, it’s surfaces suggests Citroen; they conjure up the worst of Flaminio Bertoni’s excesses during the 1960’s. I struggle to know where to look when I see a new Laguna, since looking at the vehicle itself is entirely out of the question.

So anyway, back to the subject. Firstly, I present Tom Tjaarda’s De Tomaso Deauville - one of those designs that at first glance appears to be a carbon copy of William Lyons’ XJ4, yet closer scrutiny reveals very little detail in common. However in silhouette and in overall ‘spirit’ it definitely more than tips it’s hat in that direction. Oddly enough, the later XJ40 had a similar headlamp treatment, so I would suggest the influences went in both directions. Actually, I would contend the Deauville was a far more coherent Jaguar proposal than anything the major Italian design houses managed to come up with during the 1970’s despite several attempts.

Secondly, I give you the current Peugeot RCZ. While almost all commentators ascribe it’s major influence as the Audi TT, the feature line through the lower flanks running into the pronounced shoulder haunch appears (to my eyes at least) to be a clear lift from VW’s Karmann Ghia. Either that or I’ve been spending too much time drinking cooking sherry with Gorden Wegener. Or was that just a terrible dream?

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seant

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seant says:

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B&N. A lovely start to a thread, and thanks to Goatboy for making it visible.

It is unavoidable that designers influence each other and it is, in fact, very healthy, providing the result takes things one, or more, steps further.

Consider one of the great designs, and one that appears to be the quintessentially French car. In fact the front of the DS is very Studebaker Commander and the rear is very Hudson Hornet, both immediate predecessors. This is certainly no co-incidence but, in this instance, can we call it proof of gtrslgr’s favourite Oscar Wilde quote ‘Talent Borrows, Genius Steals’?

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seant

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seant says:

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B&N mentionsToyota’s almost invisible assimilation of other’s designs but they certainly admitted to the Panhard 24 influencing the mid 80s Celica. Something like that is maybe no bad thing - the Panhard was a great design and its continuation could be seen as a fitting tribute.  I remember finding the Toyota elegant when it appeared, though maybe it's overload from today's Baroque design climate, but it now it seems a bit uneventful.
 

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seant

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Very subtle are the ones where you just sense another car has influenced. There are no direct cues (except a rather ornate little radiator at a time when they were not in vogue), but I always assumed that the Mazda Xedos 6 was the result of someone deciding to design a Mk2 Jaguar for the early 90s.  Certainly, for the time, Mazda made a much better hand of it than Jaguar did with the X Type nine years later.

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seant

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As well as creating the obvious visual links to MINI’s iconic 60's predecessor, I have always noticed an almost subliminal clever link to another 60s icon. I assume this is intentional, underlining BMWs message that they were not re-creating the MINI as a utility car. Funny that a similar trick didn’t work with the Cygnet.

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gtrslngr

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Well I'd put up my 20 page rant on how the new Jaguar XF and XJ are all but identical twins to far too many cars available here in the US , but I'm afraid Goatboy and seant would crucify me for doing so . Since I value both their friendships and have no desire  to raise the ire of that German residing fellow thats a Jaguar fan as well , I'll unfortunately take a pass on this particular subject . 

 

Damn ! And its such a good rant .   

 

@seant - Nothing " Works " with the pretentious Cygnet . Except maybe the Toyota underpinnings . Maybe . 

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AReader

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AReader says:

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Sir Studebaker of Subtle.

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Goatboy

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Oh dear, I am somewhat embarrassed to do this - I feel the most dreadful pedant, but I simply cannot leave this matter unchecked. In bertandnairobi’s splendid opening post, he included a photo, not of Audi’s A5 Sportback as intended, but of the prototype A7 they showed at various motor shows over the previous 12 months or so. Now in B&N’s defence, it is after all a very easy mistake to make; as can be discerned by a cursory glance below, the differences between both cars is so tiny as to be inconsequential. In fact so similar are both designs that for anyone to pay the (very hefty) price premium for the A7, the only rational conclusion that could be gleaned from such an action would be that this individual is a idiot.

I believe this situation has been causing havoc at Audi dealerships where customers expressing an interest in an A7 would necessitate all A5 Sportbacks being hurriedly consigned to the furthest reaches of the back lot - preferably under dustsheets. (Audi have had to make a special cover for just this eventuality)
This never happens at BMW dealers since there has been no recorded interest in the 5 Series GT at all…

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AReader

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Goatboy: Audi's special cover always reminded me of the character George on the kid's show Rainbow. I don't remember seeing this episode however.......

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car4mh

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I have to admit, if it weren't for badges I'd have a hard time telling the A5 and A7 sportbacks apart.  Looking back on this photo I took at the Audi Centre when I visited Ingolstadt last month, I'm not sure I can remember which is which.

@AReader - isn't that a shot from the infamous Rainbow Meet the Heff-a-lumps Christmas Special, filmed at the Playboy Mansion?  Even in these days of Youtube and file-sharing it's nigh-on impossible to get a copy.

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